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6011 Vs 6013 BEST POLARITY for WELDING SHEET METAL

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6011 Vs 6013 Which ROD and Polarity is BEST for WELDING SHEET METAL? Have you ever wondered what the difference is between 6011 and 6013 electrodes and what happens if you switch from DC Positive DCEP to DC Negative? DCEN Here is a side by side comparison of how each of these rods performs on sheet metal doing exactly that! See the results for yourself! The test material we used is 16 gauge (1.29 mm) sheet metal and the rods are 1/16" (1.6 mm) 6011 and 6013. The manufacturer recommended running these rods at 20-40 amps. I found that 20 amps was the sweet spot on my machine. ⇨ SUBSCRIBE to Brandon Lund DIY Builds: https://www.youtube.com/brandonlund THE TOOLS & GEAR I USE 🔴 https://www.amazon.com/shop/brandonlund Welder: https://amzn.to/2t4rOZF Chipping Hammer: https://amzn.to/2sW4JIy Welding Helmet: https://amzn.to/2JGmGFa Any commission earned from the above Amazon affiliate links all go towards helping to support the channel. FOLLOW ME (for behind the scenes stuff)! ⇨ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lunddiybuilds ⇨ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LundDIYBuilds ⇨ Twitter: https://twitter.com/LundDIYBuilds For Business Inquiries: [email protected] Disclaimer: These videos are intended for entertainment purposes only and as such, you should not attempt to do any of the things you see me doing. Always read and follow the manufacturer’s safety guidelines before handling tools. Seek professional advice and training before using any welding equipment. Never operate any tool without wearing the proper personal protective equipment. Final warning, Do not attempt to do any of the things you see me doing!
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ardy nottle (5 days ago)
Thank you for your help made aHUGE difference as most of the stuff I weld is thin
Brandon Lund (4 days ago)
Your welcome! I'm glad I could help!
Mario Serra (14 days ago)
May I weld with 6010 Rod using AC?, if not why?
Brandon Lund (7 days ago)
+doug bormann That is correct, however, many of the inverter type DC welders will not run a 6010 rod due to the open current voltage. 6010 rods are very common with pipeline welding using a DC Engine Drive Welder (the welders you see on the back of welding rigs).
doug bormann (7 days ago)
Brandon Lund if I understand right 6010 is a dc rod and 6011 is ac/dc
Mario Serra (13 days ago)
Brandon Lund thanks a lot
Brandon Lund (14 days ago)
Good question. If your asking IF it can be done, than yes. If your life depended on it you could make a 6010 stick something together but it will look horrible and it will refuse to stay lit because 6010 rods are an AC ONLY rod. If you want the deep penetration that a 6010 rod gives, just run a 6011. It's basically the same rod except it's designed for AC or DC.
fin rambo (15 days ago)
Thanks Brandon, i'm just beginning to weld and this post has helped me today
Brandon Lund (15 days ago)
Awesome! I'm glad I could help!
graftedin3 (22 days ago)
enjoyed you video, good looking grandson. Tom
Brandon Lund (21 days ago)
Thanks Tom! We kinda like him! :)
Ramit Inyah (22 days ago)
Hey this was incredibly useful! Thanks alot! Video Idea: How about you test these same rods on the thinnest steel possible, such 24 gauge or thinner. Your wheelbarrow weld video was awesome, but it'd been cool to take on a challenge like that in the methodical testing format of this video. Try out different techniques to avoid burning through, such as tacking opposing sides, using a filler rod & clamping on a thick piece of metal as a heatsink. Maybe try it with the the arc starting assist on your system turned on & off. That would make a REALLY interesting video imho. I'm a novice who's been researching welders over the last few days to try to understand the limits of each method, I've combed youtube and haven't found a video like that out there. I know it'll probably be a pain in the ass to make though. Lol. edit: even further, test how flux core does on these same pieces of metal. And then bend test them with a sledge hammer.
Brandon Lund (21 days ago)
Thank you. This is an excellent idea! It will be a PTA to make, but I think it will be very educational once done. Thanks for the suggestion and I appreciate your support. Keep your eyes open for this video in the new year! Thanks again, Brandon
Misha Zhizhilashvili (26 days ago)
you are awesome man ! 10x
Brandon Lund (25 days ago)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Henry Rossouw (29 days ago)
hi there.For all the money in the world I cant understand the difference between DCEN and DCEP, I'm only a hobbyist welder
Brandon Lund (26 days ago)
+Henry Rossouw Thanks Henry! Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Henry Rossouw (26 days ago)
​+Brandon Lund thanks again Brandon.Wishing you and your family a wonderful Christmas and a prosperous new year.
Brandon Lund (27 days ago)
+Henry Rossouw im glad I could help :)
Henry Rossouw (27 days ago)
+Brandon Lund THANKS A LOT>Finally an answer to all my asking around and getting different answers.
Brandon Lund (29 days ago)
+Henry Rossouw yes that is correct. DCEN the electrode holder plugs to the negative terminal and the work clamp connects to positive terminal.
CosminZ (1 month ago)
What polarity should I use to weld a body panel?DCEN or DCEP? 1.6mm 6013 electrodes and 1.3mm metal thickness.
Brandon Lund (27 days ago)
+CosminZ your welcome :)
CosminZ (28 days ago)
+Brandon Lund Thank you.
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
You want DCEN. Much less penetration.
ReviewLife. pk (1 month ago)
Dcep and dcen ?? Means
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
Glad I could help:) cheers
ReviewLife. pk (1 month ago)
+Brandon Lund thank you for your kind information.
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
DC is the current it is running on. EP means the electrode is positive. EN means electrode negative.
John Dias (1 month ago)
Thank you for the video. I picked up the Tractor Supply Co. Metal Man arc80 recently. I haven't done any stick welding in 8-10 years and forgot a lot. Checking these videos helps quite a bit. Good info. As far as the metal man 80... not bad. It's a good light weight machine for home use...runs on 110v 20 amp. First time my son used it he laid down a nice bead. I'm gonna pull out some scrap and practice. I did manage to drop a small project and your video helped me. Thanks again.
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
Congratulations on your new welder purchase and I'm glad I was able to be of some help. I saw the Metal Man for the first time this weekend at my local Tractor Supply but i wasn't able to see much of it because it was still in the box and they did not have any displays set up. It's a good feeling when you can fix, repair and build things around the house using your own tools and equipment.
brenner (1 month ago)
Strength test of all 4 maybe?
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
I like that idea! Thank you
Fitzgerald Mistral (1 month ago)
Pretty tough crowd on here. Almost noone complimented the tiny future welder on his cameo appearance. He's so cute and funny munching on his little hand.
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
Thanks brother! He sure is a lot of fun and thank you for you great comment!
Zoom Kat (1 month ago)
You might try the 7014 1/16" rods for thin metal. Harbor freight use to carry them, but no more. If you can't get them locally, you can order them on line thru places like Home Depot and have them delivered to the store for pickup for free. The 7014 on EN is more "butter" than the "blast" of the 6011/6013 rods. For more rod control I've cut the 1/16" rods in half and used them to reduce the springy nature. I use them with my HF 80A 120V inverter welder.
ColtDeltaElite10mm (1 month ago)
6013 needs to be run with an increased drag angle than what was used in the video. 6913 also has the weakest penetration. It’s perfect for sheet metal and that’s about it. After MIG (GMAW) was perfected in the late 80’s, SMAW (aka: “stick”) went by the wayside for the average hobby welder.
PBS #007 (1 month ago)
thanks for all the info
Brandon Lund (1 month ago)
Your welcome. Glad I could help :)
Anon Ymous (2 months ago)
Another fantastic video. I was using 6013 DCEP, and was burning straight through some of my metal. Fortunately, I was able to mess around with it enough to fill in the gaps, but they are not strong welds at all. I will have to do a lot of practice tomorrow, and try switching to DCEN and try it again. I am building a frame for a battery box using angle steel that is lightly galvanized and has the holes cut in it, like what you would see on a sign post. Thanks for making great videos to share your knowledge.
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
+Anon Ymous awww man that sucks! FYI, (if it happens again) drink milk...it will help make you feel better much quicker. It helps rid your body of the zinc. Glad to hear the welding is coming along and I hope your feeling better. Cheers brother!
Anon Ymous (2 months ago)
+Brandon LundThanks, man. I went out and bought some mild steel for practicing on. Welding on the galvanized steel last night really messed up my lungs, and i had to call in sick to work today. Felt better this afternoon, so tried welding DCEN. Had a much better outcome.
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
The more you do, the better you get. Your probably aware, but just be careful welding on galvanized. The fumes are very poisonous. Some of the things you can do are - use a respirator, grind off the galvanized or weld it in a very well ventilated area. I prefer to grind and weld with a respirator. Cheers brother!
Lextech Lighting (2 months ago)
They aren't "springy" you have too much rod angle. These 16th rods will run smooth as a 1/8 7018 and slag peel every time. All those choppy beads are from welding sideways. They run best at 40 amps. Stand the rods up properly so they run smoothly. These little 6013 are some of my favorite rods. You'll enjoy them if you do.
Andre Adi (2 months ago)
Thanks for your tutorial, its good And your baby so cute
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
Thank you very much!
gord johnson (2 months ago)
A lap joint on thin sheet metal is not a good rod test. A better test rod test would be a butt joint with a slight gap. A 6011 is a high penetration rod. You'll find that it has a tendency to blow right thru the gap. 6013... They're sometimes called an all purpose farmer rod that works on AC buzz boxes . They're much better for thin sheet metal because they're not a high penetration rod. It won't blow thru as readily. It also helps to hold the rod on more of an angle and travel a bit quicker. 6013 is recommended for thin sheet metal. 6011 isn't. 6011 is more for burning thru paint and rust. It's also used for a root pass on heavy pipe. As you stated...Thin rods are wiggly. Shortening the rod by cutting it in half helps a lot.
Earthalien Zapa (2 months ago)
Tig welding much better overal.
Ramit Inyah (22 days ago)
And a BMW is better than a Nissan, that doesn't mean I can get one.
Clive KC (2 months ago)
This information came at the right time for me. Am a novice in welding and am trying to do a DIY welding project. Here in Zimbabwe the only rods that are easily available are the 6013s, and the smallest is 2.5mm. I have been having challenges using it on square tubes 1.6mm thick. Was using DCEP at about 78A with a lot of blow holes. I think I am going to switch to DCEN, judging from what you have just shown in the video, I think I will achieve better results. Thank you, from Zimbabwe.
Clive KC (2 months ago)
Thank you. Will try everything you have suggested here.
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
Thank you for your comment! I love hearing from viewers across the country and hearing about their projects. 6013 can be a little difficult to weld with. I cant remember if I mentioned it in the video, but try experimenting with a steeper drag angle also. 6013 likes a somewhat steep angle. Cheers and thank you for your support.
Guapo (2 months ago)
4:02 R.I.P head phone users
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
+Guapo thanks brother! I appreciate your support!
Guapo (2 months ago)
+Brandon Lund no need, it was a great video!
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
Lol sorry 🤣🤣🤣
Rick Merino (2 months ago)
Could you make a video if possible showing how to weld using a torch ?.
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
It's something I'm looking to do. I have everything, i just need to get some tanks. Since I got my plasma cutter I find I use a torch much less so I have to renew my bottle contract :)
ollivier bissiere (2 months ago)
Hello and thank you for this video clip. I tried DC electrode negative stick welding today. The welding is far better. As from now,I will go DC electrode negative!!!!
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
ollivier bissiere I’m glad I could help! It makes me feel good when a viewer says that I have helped them. Thank you for sharing!
Rich MAC (2 months ago)
Thanks for running this video. I had an old welder tell me that as a rule of thumb to run any rod ending in an odd number on DCEN and those that end in an even number run on DCEP. I've kind of lived by this rule even though the rods are sometimes recommended to be run the opposite way (like 6011). However, based on your results, it looks like he is right.
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
Interesting!...I had not heard that before, but it sure seems to make sense! Thanks for the tip! That just goes to prove, you are never to late to pick up tips and tricks!
jorge pearl (2 months ago)
6013 negative electrode looks the best
christopher fernandez (2 months ago)
thank you it is very helpful
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
I'm glad I could help :)
Myth-ter Moth (3 months ago)
Welding 16gage (1.6mm) is easy, now try welding 22gage (0.8mm), thats where it gets tricky.
jorge pearl (2 months ago)
Myth-ter Moth maybe TIG with very low amps
Brandon Lund (3 months ago)
22 gage is much harder to weld. The best way on super thin metal is to use quick tacks spaced evenly and then go back through until everything is connected.
sarosh mcfarland (3 months ago)
Very nicely explained. Thanks. Cute Grandchild God bless
Brandon Lund (3 months ago)
Thank you very much and we think hes a keeper! God bless you also!
Richard Howe (3 months ago)
Other videos don't really go into detail like that or do the comparison of welding electrode positive versus electrode negative. This video really explained and demonstrated the difference.Thank you much!
Brandon Lund (3 months ago)
Richard Howe thanks Richard! I appreciate your support and kind words!
MCE Performance (4 months ago)
Nice experiment. 6011s are more of a high penetration rod for dirty metal. 6013s were designed for sheet metal so I'd stay with those if you're intent on stick welding sheet metal. I had a body shop back in the day, MIG & oxy acetylene pretty much covered everything.
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
I'm old school...I started out learning to weld sheet metal floor pans brazing with O/A...anything beyond that is a piece of cake 🤣🤣🤣. Lol
dave maccarter (4 months ago)
Nice! For auto body work, especially sheet metal restoration stuff, it would be nice to see how butt welds could work out. Low amp settings and good penetration without burning holes is tough. Mig works best, but a lot of folks don't have mig and 6013 was designed for sheet metal back in the day. Maybe you could try some butt welds with 1/16th. 6013 one day. Thanks for the good vid.
scorp NZ (4 months ago)
Cheers mate that was clear & precise & understood .It worked as you said. The sheet i was welding yesterday was far to thin for the rods .Seeing this vid (just got back inside from retrying a weld on the same size steel plates you used) a noticeable difference lol that's how a bead should lay yeehaww
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
+scorp NZfor 6013 I pretty much just lay the rod in there gently and hold a pretty decent drag angle. I went back and looked at the video and it looks a little exaggerated but you want it fairly steep. Im not forcing the rod in, but I'm also not holding a gap. There is basically no weight or pressure against the tip of the rod. 6013 is very fluid so having no gap combined with a steep drag angle helps to keep the puddle blown out ahead of the rod (which is why it's so easy to get slag inclusions with this rod). Having very little drag angle will allow the puddle to wash back and cause slag inclusions and porosity. I hope that was clear enough. If not, let me know. I run 7024 pretty much the same way also, just not as steep. 6013 rods usually start very easy so if your sticking, try turning up your amps a little, hold a steeper drag angle and just lay the rod in and see if it inproves.
scorp NZ (4 months ago)
I'm no welder however even i agree that's a tall order .the amount of heat even on a lap joint i suspect would just blow through & that's just for a tack since you wouldn't be able to continue the bead without it doing so .Not sure if even a heat sink in the rear would work either .For sure those rods you use in the vid are dam whippy alright lol it's like your seeing double when welding as it has that flex movement going on (i have some & was using them yesterday .They're a freaky rod to use i.e small 6013) Must get some 6011 & see how they go .Just to clarify the 6013 you actually didn't hold the rod off the metal but put it on it & dragged ? i must try that .I also found not enough amps made the slag stick in the weld & make holes where the slag solidified grrrr , however now that Richard mentioned about heat on the base metal that could be why i was having issues
MCE Performance (4 months ago)
Everyone has MIG now days. 20 years ago, not so much. But MIGs are so cheap, there's almost no reason not to have one.
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
Thanks man! I can tell you that butt welding sheet metal is a tall order, but I will gladly give it a try. The blue demon has an awesome hot start feature and I think this would be mandatory with running the amps as low as I would have to for this to work...I like your idea! Thank you!
Ray B. (4 months ago)
FYI I find the Lincoln 3/32" 6011's burn MUCH better with inverter welders.. I have Hobart 3/32" 6011's and can't maintain an arc.. I think the low OCV on inverter welders is the issue.. Lincoln rods work well in other sizes and types too..
Brandon Lund (2 months ago)
+Ray B. Great advise! It took me a minute, I was pretty sure I had done a whip and pause. Thanks buddy for your input and suggestion. THIS is what the comments are made for. HERE YOU GO RICH https://youtu.be/1s2IfAG4IVE
Ray B. (2 months ago)
You're welcome Rich! Please repost after you try them.. If you haven't learned the whip & pause method I suggest you look for this here or perhaps Brandon Lund can demonstrate this technique if he hasn't already done so..
Rich MAC (2 months ago)
Thanks for sharing this. I have a small inverter welder and running 6010 is almost impossible. I can run every other rod (6011 is better than 6010 but not great either) but I haven't tried the Lincoln rods. I'll buy a couple pounds of each and give it a shot.
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
Thanks man, I appreciate your support!
Ray B. (4 months ago)
Wow that is awesome! I have not tried 6010 as I think they won't work on my welder but would like to try a stick or 2.. Really enjoy your videos keep up the great work!
Yaseen Hashim (4 months ago)
thank you for advising he is beautiful child must inherit the workmanship of his grandfather
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
Thank you! He's growing up fast!
john dowe (4 months ago)
ac/dc polarity doesnt do shit its the same thing unless youre welding magnetized steel then u want to use ac
Brandon Lund (4 months ago)
Actually dc has a smoother arc because the frequency is not pulsating at 60 hz. AC is also doesn't have arc blow. Thanks for watching! Cheers!
Welding Junkie (5 months ago)
EP has deeper penetration, EN does not..... I didn’t know you’re in New England, I’m in Rhode Island not to far from you. That’s cool! 7018 tends to like DCEP from what I see. Good comparison of 6011/6013
Brandon Lund (5 months ago)
Welding Junkie not far at all, I’m in central Maine!
jonathan lucier (5 months ago)
Hello Brandon saw you at the fair in skowegan nice family. Keep up the good work looking forward to more of your videos. Cute inspector wonderful child the best of luck to you and your family..take care...good man and great videos..
Brandon Lund (5 months ago)
jonathan lucier you actually made my day today. You are the first person that has ever approached me because they recognized me from my channel. Im glad you did and thank you. I was with my wife, grandsons and her mother and father. Plus we won 3 dollars on the horses so it was a great day all around. Thanks again buddy and I appreciate the support :)
JHonesty G (5 months ago)
i appreciate the detailed comparison
Brandon Lund (5 months ago)
JHonesty G thank you very much! It's easy when you see it side by side.
CavemanJoe (7 months ago)
And the whip & pause is for things like pipe when you're making keyholes to build a backing for the hot pass, joining two spaced pieces instead of a lap joint.
CavemanJoe (7 months ago)
Brandon Lund For anything *other* than pipe, I've found 6011 to be best for just tacks or short runs on things that have to be fixed in place with minimal prep. It does go deep, but it doesn't have good flexibility for things that get any torque.
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
CavemanJoe I’ve never had good luck just dragging 6011. It could just be how I was taught. For lap joints, I tend to focus on the toe of the bottom plate and wash the puddle back flush with the upper plate.
CavemanJoe (7 months ago)
High deposition rate means it puts metal down fast, not really anything to do with the flux coating.👍
Jim Allmon (7 months ago)
Nice video. I was wondering if that welder could handle suspension mounts on a utility trailer. I know my mig unit won't.
Jim Allmon (7 months ago)
Brandon Lund thank you sir!
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Jim Allmon thanks! Yes this welder will easily handle spring mounts. I’ve done it with my 140 mig on flux core wire but it’s really pushing it on 1/4” plate. This welder will easily handle 1/4” and up.
Jean Louis Thevenin (7 months ago)
très bonne vidéo
D Rickard (7 months ago)
Good stuff...I wonder if you noticed your welders are back on Amazon.
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
D Rickard i saw that! They arent $209 but they are keeping the price reasonable...(lets see how long that lasts lol). I would love to promote that welder some more on my channel, but I'm afraid they will get greedy again if they find out my vierers are interested in it (like last time). I have it in my amazon store but I probably won't do any more videos with it unless I can get a price guarantee from them.
Tsunami101st (7 months ago)
Very informative video. I think Colton was upset he didn't to take a crack at it. He'll be at it before you know it!
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Tsunami101st thanks buddy! He will be in no time :)
casy casy (7 months ago)
very helpful keep doing them
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
casy casy thanks buddy! I'm glad your enjoying them :)
JJD1913 (7 months ago)
Thanks for the video
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Ronald Parady (7 months ago)
Another good one what’s ur suggestion on that welder on amazon it says package is damaged it’s 223$
Ronald Parady (7 months ago)
Brandon Lund thanks
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Ronald Parady that’s a pretty good deal... I tend to like good deals so i personally would probably go for it. My only concern would be what happens if the unit is damaged... will it be replaced with no hastle and who pays the shipping. If they are willing to accept all the charges on a return, it sure would save you some cash $$$, which is always nice :)
Ray B. (7 months ago)
Good video with interesting results! Makes me wonder how it would have worked on your wheelbarrow repair.. Cute grandbaby BTW!
Ray B. (7 months ago)
You're welcome! Really enjoy your videos! Thanks Brandon!
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Ray B. Thanks man! I was thinking the same thing! I believe it would have come out looking better using these rods and dc negative
OGAREW (7 months ago)
Прекрасный малыш!!!! Спасибо за видео. Какая толщина электрода ?
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Your welcome! the rod is 1.6 mm
Richard Valcourt (7 months ago)
Agree with you 100% Brandon. As far as polarity, when welding on dcep the heat is directed on the workpiece, when welding on dcen the heat is directed mostly on the electrode. That’s why it seems hotter using dcep. Straight polarity dcen: straight electrode negative (SEN) short for senator, reverse polarity dcep: reverse electrode positive (REP) short for representative. Just a trick to remember how to determine straight polarity from reverse polarity. Superfine video!
scorp NZ (4 months ago)
Cheers for that info about heat on the base metal & not the rod when polarity is about face
Brandon Lund (5 months ago)
Thanks Richard and I want to thank you for your great comment in the previous video. It was one of the ones that prompted me to do a follow up video! I like your memory trick for remembering polarity! Awesome!
Michelangelo Lavagno (7 months ago)
very good video....
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Thanks buddy!
Jaques Daniels (7 months ago)
Good job . With those skinny rods (which I try to avoid using), I sometimes hold a second rod at roughly 90° or so under the rod in the stinger to get going. I learnt on 6013s, on AC (only time we had DC was from the diesel generator setup) we ran em hot, they ran fine, always had the slag peel right back, never needed chipping hammer or wire brush, maybe they don't make 6013s like they used to or at lower amps on inverters they don't run well? Cute lil Winston Churchill impersonator you have there :)
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
Thanks buddy! Interesting idea on using the 2nd rod...I will have to give it a try! The slag seemed to come loose a little easier for me on dcen than dcep but it wasn't peeling back like you mentioned. It's satisfying when it does though. He grand baby is a lot of fun. I compared him to the original "Uncle Fester" on a show called Adams Family.
1rustytree (7 months ago)
Good video! I welded 2 hooks on my tractor bucket with the HF 80A inverter with1/16 rods, No idea how many passes, when I was done the bucket looked like I was cleaning up after 50 kids on the 4th of July! Still holding though!
Brandon Lund (7 months ago)
I bet it did looks like 4th of July! They burn fast!. That is a small rod for that project! Multipass! :)

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